Re: [REPORT] Laporkan Merit Abuse dan Yang Terindikasi Melakukan Abuse di Sini!
Originally posted by on 07/12/2025, 13:07:59 UTC
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Mohon ditindak lanjuti agar kejadian serupa tidak terulang dimasa mendatang dan bisa memberikan efek jera.
Kalau salah satunya ada yg dibanned, tentunya bisa ditindak lanjuti dengan dibanned semua, tapi kalau cuma merit abuse, Tindak lanjutinya paling ditag negatif, dan saya lihat sampeyan (sebagai pengusul) juga gak ngetag akun tersebut. Seharusnya paling terdepan ngasih tag.Setahu saya, kalau salah satu akun yang diduga terhubung tersebut di ban (setelah buktinya valid), maka akun lainnya hanya boleh posting di Meta, itupun untuk keperluan appeal dari ban.
Jadi tidak langsung begitu saja di ban. Ada istilah: ban evasion.
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
-snip-
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
-snip-
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
Kemudian, sejak admin theymos memperkenalkan sistem baru pada DT, maka tag lebih ditujukan untuk perkara yang menyangkut semisal penipuan dalam perdagangan.
I think that several of the problems with Trust were because three different goals were being jammed into one system:
1. Getting a general idea of someone's trade history and trustworthiness in one convenient location, sort of like reviews on sites like EBay.
2. Warning newbies/guests who don't know how to research properly about high-risk people.
3. Deterring scams by creating a cost to scamming (ie. you'll "lose" a veteran account).
To improve this, I've split up these use-cases:
Use-case #1 is the old trust system, but I made the descriptions on the rating types a bit more general and removed the concept of a trust score. The numbers are now "distinct positive raters / distinct neutral raters / distinct negative raters". You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders. -snip-
1. Getting a general idea of someone's trade history and trustworthiness in one convenient location, sort of like reviews on sites like EBay.
2. Warning newbies/guests who don't know how to research properly about high-risk people.
3. Deterring scams by creating a cost to scamming (ie. you'll "lose" a veteran account).
To improve this, I've split up these use-cases:
Use-case #1 is the old trust system, but I made the descriptions on the rating types a bit more general and removed the concept of a trust score. The numbers are now "distinct positive raters / distinct neutral raters / distinct negative raters". You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders. -snip-
Sementara perihal tag terkait indikasi Merit abuse, menurut saya tidak masuk kategori dalam tag yang mengharuskan DT memberikan trust feeback negatif bila merujuk aturan baru di atas.
Sebelum berlaku perombakan sistem seperti di atas, memang trust feedback bahkan oleh sebagian DT digunakan sebagai ajang untuk saling menyerang terutama pada akun yang tidak disukainya, yang bahkan tidak dalam kategori penipuan perdagangan.
Dulu om Pandu seingat saya sempat membuat thread yang membahas fungsi baru DT trust ini.
-snip-
Hal ini berdasarkan kepada postingan theymos:
Ditambah dengan kearifan lokal, bahwa kami hanya akan memberikan feedback kepada user Indonesia, jika ada bukti yang valid.
So, intinya adalah:
1. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada spammer, karena mereka akan berhadapan dengan moderator.
2. Tidak akan memberikan feedback pada alt account, karena sudah ada thread dan board yg membidangi hal ini
3. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada pelaku merit abuser, idem dengan nomor 2.
4. Tidak akan melayani escrowing trade/loan, karena udah ada crypto escrow team dalam forum atau kepada moderator indonesia.
Kami hanya memberikan feedback pada transaksi jual beli dan pinjam meminjam kripto, untuk meminimalisir kecurangan dan penipuan yang sering terjadi.
Hal ini berdasarkan kepada postingan theymos:
I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.
In particular, in my view:
- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
- Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.
-snip-
In particular, in my view:
- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
- Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.
-snip-
Ditambah dengan kearifan lokal, bahwa kami hanya akan memberikan feedback kepada user Indonesia, jika ada bukti yang valid.
So, intinya adalah:
1. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada spammer, karena mereka akan berhadapan dengan moderator.
2. Tidak akan memberikan feedback pada alt account, karena sudah ada thread dan board yg membidangi hal ini
3. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada pelaku merit abuser, idem dengan nomor 2.
4. Tidak akan melayani escrowing trade/loan, karena udah ada crypto escrow team dalam forum atau kepada moderator indonesia.
Kami hanya memberikan feedback pada transaksi jual beli dan pinjam meminjam kripto, untuk meminimalisir kecurangan dan penipuan yang sering terjadi.
Solusi lain yang mungkin bisa coba ditempuh adalah dengan membawa kasusnya ke board reputasi.
Original archived Re: [REPORT] Laporkan Merit Abuse dan Yang Terindikasi Melakukan Abuse di Sini!
Scraped on 07/12/2025, 13:07:59 UTC
Mohon ditindak lanjuti agar kejadian serupa tidak terulang dimasa mendatang dan bisa memberikan efek jera.
Kalau salah satunya ada yg dibanned, tentunya bisa ditindak lanjuti dengan dibanned semua, tapi kalau cuma merit abuse, Tindak lanjutinya paling ditag negatif, dan saya lihat sampeyan (sebagai pengusul) juga gak ngetag akun tersebut. Seharusnya paling terdepan ngasih tag.Setahu saya, kalau salah satu akun yang diduga terhubung tersebut di ban (setelah buktinya valid), maka akun lainnya hanya boleh posting di Meta, itupun untuk keperluan appeal dari ban.
Jadi tidak langsung begitu saja di ban. Ada istilah: ban evasion.
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
-snip-
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
-snip-
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
Kemudian, sejak admin theymos memperkenalkan sistem baru pada DT, maka tag lebih ditujukan untuk perkara yang menyangkut semisal penipuan dalam perdagangan.
I think that several of the problems with Trust were because three different goals were being jammed into one system:
1. Getting a general idea of someone's trade history and trustworthiness in one convenient location, sort of like reviews on sites like EBay.
2. Warning newbies/guests who don't know how to research properly about high-risk people.
3. Deterring scams by creating a cost to scamming (ie. you'll "lose" a veteran account).
To improve this, I've split up these use-cases:
Use-case #1 is the old trust system, but I made the descriptions on the rating types a bit more general and removed the concept of a trust score. The numbers are now "distinct positive raters / distinct neutral raters / distinct negative raters". You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders. -snip-
1. Getting a general idea of someone's trade history and trustworthiness in one convenient location, sort of like reviews on sites like EBay.
2. Warning newbies/guests who don't know how to research properly about high-risk people.
3. Deterring scams by creating a cost to scamming (ie. you'll "lose" a veteran account).
To improve this, I've split up these use-cases:
Use-case #1 is the old trust system, but I made the descriptions on the rating types a bit more general and removed the concept of a trust score. The numbers are now "distinct positive raters / distinct neutral raters / distinct negative raters". You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders. -snip-
Sementara perihal tag terkait indikasi Merit abuse, menurut saya tidak masuk kategori dalam tag yang mengharuskan DT memberikan trust feeback negatif bila merujuk aturan baru di atas.
Sebelum berlaku perombakan sistem seperti di atas, memang trust feedback bahkan oleh sebagian DT digunakan sebagai ajang untuk saling menyerang terutama pada akun yang tidak disukainya, yang bahkan tidak dalam kategori penipuan perdagangan.
Dulu om Pandu seingat saya sempat membuat thread yang membahas fungsi baru DT trust ini.
-snip-
Hal ini berdasarkan kepada postingan theymos:
Ditambah dengan kearifan lokal, bahwa kami hanya akan memberikan feedback kepada user Indonesia, jika ada bukti yang valid.
So, intinya adalah:
1. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada spammer, karena mereka akan berhadapan dengan moderator.
2. Tidak akan memberikan feedback pada alt account, karena sudah ada thread dan board yg membidangi hal ini
3. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada pelaku merit abuser, idem dengan nomor 2.
4. Tidak akan melayani escrowing trade/loan, karena udah ada crypto escrow team dalam forum atau kepada moderator indonesia.
Kami hanya memberikan feedback pada transaksi jual beli dan pinjam meminjam kripto, untuk meminimalisir kecurangan dan penipuan yang sering terjadi.
Hal ini berdasarkan kepada postingan theymos:
I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.
In particular, in my view:
- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
- Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.
-snip-
In particular, in my view:
- Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
- Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
- It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them.
-snip-
Ditambah dengan kearifan lokal, bahwa kami hanya akan memberikan feedback kepada user Indonesia, jika ada bukti yang valid.
So, intinya adalah:
1. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada spammer, karena mereka akan berhadapan dengan moderator.
2. Tidak akan memberikan feedback pada alt account, karena sudah ada thread dan board yg membidangi hal ini
3. Tidak akan memberikan feedback kepada pelaku merit abuser, idem dengan nomor 2.
4. Tidak akan melayani escrowing trade/loan, karena udah ada crypto escrow team dalam forum atau kepada moderator indonesia.
Kami hanya memberikan feedback pada transaksi jual beli dan pinjam meminjam kripto, untuk meminimalisir kecurangan dan penipuan yang sering terjadi.
Solusi lain yang mungkin bisa coba ditempuh adalah dengan membawa kasusnya ke board reputasi di thread global.