Re: Till when should we keep up with abusive behaviour?
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Since when is it acceptable to call other people idiots, complete retards, make racist comments that hold no background, in the forum?
If by "acceptable" you mean "allowed", I'd say it's been allowed for as long as I can remember.Allow me to quote myself quoting myself on free speech. I posted this in an earlier topic about Satofan44:
I find these statements deeply offensive
That's okay. You're free to feel offended whenever you choose to do so.Quote
and contrary to the values that this forum is built on.
That's not at all what this forum is about:the forum's mission to be as free as possible
This is not the first time I see people advocate for less freedom and more rules. Not only here, many people do the same in real life. But they don't realize those freedoms are lost forever once they're gone.
If this type of behavior is allowed in this forum, then here will be turned into another racism breading ground.
I've seen these discussions long before you joined, and the longer I'm here, the more I appreciate theymos' stance on the subject: freedom of speech above censorship.To quote myself on the subject:
Use the Ignore button, problem solved. You can't possible expect everyone on the internet to be nice to you.
This forum gives users the freedom to be as rude as they want, just like it gives anyone else the freedom to be as nice as they want. Enjoy the freedom to choose your style, but let others enjoy the same freedom.
This forum gives users the freedom to be as rude as they want, just like it gives anyone else the freedom to be as nice as they want. Enjoy the freedom to choose your style, but let others enjoy the same freedom.
I have no problem with anyone's style as long as it's not pointing me.
Well, then that's your problem. It's simple as that. I would have started this sentence with "I'm sorry to say, ....", but then I realized that would go against the point I'm trying to make. Hurting someone's feelings is allowed. Grow a thicker skin, and stop caring. It's really that simple.Who cares, you don't know the person, you don't have to meet him, and yet, you choose to read his posts while you can easily ignore them at the click of a button! Why make yourself suffer for something that can only get worse if you give it more attention?
I'm usually quite polite on Bitcointalk, up to the point where the Cat and now others started calling me Switzerland. But I highly appreciate the freedom to not be polite if someone wants to. Your hurt feelings don't take away someone else's right to say what he wants.
Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across. If you're a snowflake, you might get offended. That's okay.
So what?
The only right answer 
Discrimination and racism is all part of freedom of speech. You can't have freedom of speech without someone else having the same freedom, and as I once read: freedom of speech is especially necessary for controversial subjects! You don't need freedom of speech to say bunnies are fluffy.
So if someone wants to discriminate: let them! Use ignore if you want, discuss with them, try to change their mind (as if that's ever worked on the internet) or just move on with your day. Who cares what an anonymous person on the internet says? See my personal text to see how much I care.
Besides, as long as hell doesn't freeze over, you can have any race, nationality or gender you want on Bitcointalk. There's an attack helicopter as Global Moderator, that's all fine
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban.
It's always amazing how people volunteer to give up the freedoms they've been given. It's truely scary, not only online but also in real life.Bitcointalk is the only forum I know that allows freedom of speech. If you don't like it, go to SJW forum.
What the f*ck, do you think censoring *BEEP* is going to make the forum any better? I miss TMAN, go read Poetry, by TMAN.
If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?
If you choose to be offended by something an anonymous person says on the big mean internet, you're doing something wrong. Why would you choose to give someone such power over you?What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?
Calling an idiot an idiot is not trolling. A bit more context:However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).
To quote myself on the subject:
Just recently, I saw several posts saying: "I hope I'm not offending anyone", and it's been on my mind for a while now.
I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!
It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!
Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!
It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!
Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I can't agree with you. You can also gently criticize a person. To insult is only to insult, nothing more. And it is not right to talk about freedom of expression while insulting a person.
I am insulted by the very fact that you think you can have freedom of speech without being allowed to insult someone. So by your own definition you're not allowed to say that!Luckily for you, you actually have the right to say pretty much anything you want on this forum. And as a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader, I can handle anything you throw at me.
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For example, I insulted you and you did it to me. What's the matter here? What did the forum gain from this? When viewed from the outside, the forum is seen as a place where racism, neopotism and swearing are falling.
It's the internet, I couldn't care less about your race. You can claim to be a Smurf if you want too. It can't be checked anyway, so why do you even care?I think I'm usually pretty friendly, and I usually don't try very hard to insult people. But I can understand why others do that, and I highly value their right to do so. If someone, especially in an anonymous environment, treats others badly, it tells you a lot about them. But how you handle it says a lot about you.
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Don't you really see these kinds of statements make the forum look bad?
No. It's what makes this forum great and unique! If you don't like it, you may want to go to a heavily censored SJW forum where your fragile feelings are protected. Bitcoin is about freedom, and you can't have freedom to say what you want without other people having the same freedom to say what they want. Grow a thicker skin or choose to have a fragile ego hurt.I'm pretty sure there are already texts that you don't like embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. It's okay. You don't have to read it. Why would you even bother to read things on a website if it insults you?
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
I'm offended by your suggestion. Now you deserve a 7 day ban 
You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy: the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".
Here's another 9 minutes worth of your time: Rowan Atkinson on free speech.
Quote from: Rowan Atkinson
For me, the best way to increase society's resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. As with childhood diseases, you can better resist those germs to which you have been exposed. We need to build our immunity to taking offence, so that we can deal with the issues that perfectly justified criticism can raise. Our priority should be to deal with the message, not the messenger.
Did you notice how I completely ignored anything Satofan44 said? That's intentional: it's completely irrelevant to the discussion on freedom of speech.
Remember:
Quote from: Reddit
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire*
@OP: What's your stance on Mia Chloe's feedback on Satofan44?
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This is the biggest asshole I've seen on this forum moving around making stupid allegations. Avoid this retard.
Not only is it rude and abusive (which I'm okay with but you seem to mind), it's also Trust abuse and if this stays red I'll exclude Mia Chloe from my Trust list.Now that I'm on the subject: Kavelj22's feedback shouldn't be red either:
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Accuse me and others irrelevant accusations. Has no clue how to use the trust system.
To be clear: Satofan44's sent feedback is obvious large-scale Trust abuse, but he's so far excluded from DT that nobody cares anymore.
He's called me "LauraV" at least 3 times, including on my feedback page. His trolling is a waste of his technical knowledge, his contribution to the forum would have been much better without the drama.
Original archived Re: Till when should we keep up with abusive behaviour?
Scraped on 10/12/2025, 10:40:12 UTC
Since when is it acceptable to call other people idiots, complete retards, make racist comments that hold no background, in the forum?
If by "acceptable" you mean "allowed", I'd say it's been allowed for as long as I can remember.Allow me to quote myself quoting myself on free speech. I posted this in an earlier topic about Satofan44:
I find these statements deeply offensive
That's okay. You're free to feel offended whenever you choose to do so.Quote
and contrary to the values that this forum is built on.
That's not at all what this forum is about:the forum's mission to be as free as possible
This is not the first time I see people advocate for less freedom and more rules. Not only here, many people do the same in real life. But they don't realize those freedoms are lost forever once they're gone.
If this type of behavior is allowed in this forum, then here will be turned into another racism breading ground.
I've seen these discussions long before you joined, and the longer I'm here, the more I appreciate theymos' stance on the subject: freedom of speech above censorship.To quote myself on the subject:
Use the Ignore button, problem solved. You can't possible expect everyone on the internet to be nice to you.
This forum gives users the freedom to be as rude as they want, just like it gives anyone else the freedom to be as nice as they want. Enjoy the freedom to choose your style, but let others enjoy the same freedom.
This forum gives users the freedom to be as rude as they want, just like it gives anyone else the freedom to be as nice as they want. Enjoy the freedom to choose your style, but let others enjoy the same freedom.
I have no problem with anyone's style as long as it's not pointing me.
Well, then that's your problem. It's simple as that. I would have started this sentence with "I'm sorry to say, ....", but then I realized that would go against the point I'm trying to make. Hurting someone's feelings is allowed. Grow a thicker skin, and stop caring. It's really that simple.Who cares, you don't know the person, you don't have to meet him, and yet, you choose to read his posts while you can easily ignore them at the click of a button! Why make yourself suffer for something that can only get worse if you give it more attention?
I'm usually quite polite on Bitcointalk, up to the point where the Cat and now others started calling me Switzerland. But I highly appreciate the freedom to not be polite if someone wants to. Your hurt feelings don't take away someone else's right to say what he wants.
Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across. If you're a snowflake, you might get offended. That's okay.
So what?
The only right answer Discrimination and racism is all part of freedom of speech. You can't have freedom of speech without someone else having the same freedom, and as I once read: freedom of speech is especially necessary for controversial subjects! You don't need freedom of speech to say bunnies are fluffy.
So if someone wants to discriminate: let them! Use ignore if you want, discuss with them, try to change their mind (as if that's ever worked on the internet) or just move on with your day. Who cares what an anonymous person on the internet says? See my personal text to see how much I care.
Besides, as long as hell doesn't freeze over, you can have any race, nationality or gender you want on Bitcointalk. There's an attack helicopter as Global Moderator, that's all fine
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban.
It's always amazing how people volunteer to give up the freedoms they've been given. It's truely scary, not only online but also in real life.Bitcointalk is the only forum I know that allows freedom of speech. If you don't like it, go to SJW forum.
What the f*ck, do you think censoring *BEEP* is going to make the forum any better? I miss TMAN, go read Poetry, by TMAN.
If I'm offended by someone online, it means I am doing something wrong by being offended by someone or I did something wrong to attract an attack on me?
If you choose to be offended by something an anonymous person says on the big mean internet, you're doing something wrong. Why would you choose to give someone such power over you?What is your understanding of freedom of speech? Do you know that there is an unofficial rule that says "No trolling?". If freedom of speech is what you think it is, why will such a rule apply?
Calling an idiot an idiot is not trolling. A bit more context:However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).
To quote myself on the subject:
Just recently, I saw several posts saying: "I hope I'm not offending anyone", and it's been on my mind for a while now.
I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!
It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!
Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I only recently realized why this is so common in English. In Dutch, "offended" and "insulted" are the same word ("beledigd"). But lately, it seems like people treat the word "offending" as if it's "insulting".
I'd say insulting isn't needed and makes you look bad, but being offended is a choice of the receiver, and honestly I'm offended by people who want to limit their own freedom of speech out of fear that someone might get his feelings hurt on the internet! Oh noes!
It's okay to offended people! Offensive jokes are often funny. Don't let SJW decide what you're allowed to say or even think!
Trying to be nice doesn't hurt you, but don't let someone's made up feelings stop you from speaking your mind.
I can't agree with you. You can also gently criticize a person. To insult is only to insult, nothing more. And it is not right to talk about freedom of expression while insulting a person.
I am insulted by the very fact that you think you can have freedom of speech without being allowed to insult someone. So by your own definition you're not allowed to say that!Luckily for you, you actually have the right to say pretty much anything you want on this forum. And as a Thick-Skinned Gang Leader, I can handle anything you throw at me.
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For example, I insulted you and you did it to me. What's the matter here? What did the forum gain from this? When viewed from the outside, the forum is seen as a place where racism, neopotism and swearing are falling.
It's the internet, I couldn't care less about your race. You can claim to be a Smurf if you want too. It can't be checked anyway, so why do you even care?I think I'm usually pretty friendly, and I usually don't try very hard to insult people. But I can understand why others do that, and I highly value their right to do so. If someone, especially in an anonymous environment, treats others badly, it tells you a lot about them. But how you handle it says a lot about you.
Quote
Don't you really see these kinds of statements make the forum look bad?
No. It's what makes this forum great and unique! If you don't like it, you may want to go to a heavily censored SJW forum where your fragile feelings are protected. Bitcoin is about freedom, and you can't have freedom to say what you want without other people having the same freedom to say what they want. Grow a thicker skin or choose to have a fragile ego hurt.I'm pretty sure there are already texts that you don't like embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. It's okay. You don't have to read it. Why would you even bother to read things on a website if it insults you?
How about if the admin filter some keywords(foul words), such that when you use them, you will be handed ban. Such as 7days ban, few days signature ban, read only mode etc. This will promote peaceful co-existence and curtail to the barest minimum any form of bullying, unfriendliness, acrimony or as the case may be.
I'm offended by your suggestion. Now you deserve a 7 day ban You should spend 2.5 minutes to listen to this guy: the only proper response to someone who says: "I'm offended!" is: "I don't care!".
Here's another 9 minutes worth of your time: Rowan Atkinson on free speech.
Quote from: Rowan Atkinson
For me, the best way to increase society's resistance to insulting or offensive speech is to allow a lot more of it. As with childhood diseases, you can better resist those germs to which you have been exposed. We need to build our immunity to taking offence, so that we can deal with the issues that perfectly justified criticism can raise. Our priority should be to deal with the message, not the messenger.
Did you notice how I completely ignored anything Satofan44 said? That's intentional: it's completely irrelevant to the discussion on freedom of speech.
Remember:
Quote from: Reddit
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire*
@OP: What's your stance on Mia Chloe's feedback on Satofan44?
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This is the biggest asshole I've seen on this forum moving around making stupid allegations. Avoid this retard.
Not only is it rude and abusive, it's also Trust abuse and if this stays red I'll exclude Mia Chloe from my Trust list.Now that I'm on the subject: Kavelj22's feedback shouldn't be red either:
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Accuse me and others irrelevant accusations. Has no clue how to use the trust system.
To be clear: Satofan44's sent feedback is obvious large-scale Trust abuse, but he's so far excluded from DT that nobody cares anymore.
He's called me "LauraV" at least 3 times, including on my feedback page. His trolling is a waste of his technical knowledge, his contribution to the forum would have been much better without the drama.