Re: Mixers to be banned
Originally posted by on 12/12/2025, 11:11:07 UTC
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Recently, a one mixer was seized, before that, there were a couple of complaints about it, where users reported delays or not receiving Bitcoin at all. We cannot know whether a more open discussion would help in these cases, but it is certainly necessary to discuss it freely. At least for prevention. However, it is not even possible to mention most mixers due to word filtering.
It has been discussed many times in this thread as well. I believe that no excuse is good enough for someone who lost money, and perhaps he could have received useful warning information here.
It has been discussed many times in this thread as well. I believe that no excuse is good enough for someone who lost money, and perhaps he could have received useful warning information here.
That mixer was a scam, and under conventional moderation it would've been banned from the forum ages ago. So it's not really representative of the full situation tbh.
Not that I want to push things into any direction, but isn't it hypocritical that services like Wasabi coordinators, Whirlpool servers, or Joinmarket are allowed to be advertised? From a legal point of view, these services are treated equally with mixers, and the arrest of the Samourai developers in the name of money laundering clears this out further. The fact that mixers require to forfeit custody of coins does not amplify their legal exposure.
I just don't see how being custodial is a requirement to consider it illicit in the eyes of the government. Either all privacy enhancing services can be used to launder money, custodial or not, and thus must be discriminated in this forum, or they mustn't.
I just don't see how being custodial is a requirement to consider it illicit in the eyes of the government. Either all privacy enhancing services can be used to launder money, custodial or not, and thus must be discriminated in this forum, or they mustn't.
I am convinced that if Monero was a service, its developers would've been arrested and charged by now. (Not for tax evasion a la fluffypony but for MSB voliation charges)
But I don't think feds are particularly interested in coinjoin software. Samourai only got seized because they were loudmouths, and if they had managed to control their indignation then none of that would've happened.
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Scraped on 12/12/2025, 11:11:07 UTC
Recently, a one mixer was seized, before that, there were a couple of complaints about it, where users reported delays or not receiving Bitcoin at all. We cannot know whether a more open discussion would help in these cases, but it is certainly necessary to discuss it freely. At least for prevention. However, it is not even possible to mention most mixers due to word filtering.
It has been discussed many times in this thread as well. I believe that no excuse is good enough for someone who lost money, and perhaps he could have received useful warning information here.
It has been discussed many times in this thread as well. I believe that no excuse is good enough for someone who lost money, and perhaps he could have received useful warning information here.
That mixer was a scam, and under conventional moderation it would've been banned from the forum ages ago. So it's not really representative of the full situation tbh.
Not that I want to push things into any direction, but isn't it hypocritical that services like Wasabi coordinators, Whirlpool servers, or Joinmarket are allowed to be advertised? From a legal point of view, these services are treated equally with mixers, and the arrest of the Samourai developers in the name of money laundering clears this out further. The fact that mixers require to forfeit custody of coins does not amplify their legal exposure.
I just don't see how being custodial is a requirement to consider it illicit in the eyes of the government. Either all privacy enhancing services can be used to launder money, custodial or not, and thus must be discriminated in this forum, or they mustn't.
I just don't see how being custodial is a requirement to consider it illicit in the eyes of the government. Either all privacy enhancing services can be used to launder money, custodial or not, and thus must be discriminated in this forum, or they mustn't.
I am convinced that if Monero was a service, it's developers would've been arrested and charged by now. (Not for tax evasion a la fluffypony but for MSB voliation charges)
But I don't think feds are particularly interested in coinjoin software. Samourai only got seized because they were loudmouths, and if they had managed to control their indignation then none of this would've happened.